Mouth Dropping drooling coin find!!!!!

[Jacob]

This is best I can do so I'm done with this so here you go.

[kloccwork419]

Just stop. There not 1 picture you posted that shows any matching marker or the doubling. The arrows pointing to you imaginary "doubling" aren't even pointing to the right location. YOU DONT HAVE IT and on top of that, you dont listen to anything anyone tells you. Try posting this coin over at CCF so they can burst your bubble worse than I did. Give up. Move on. It's not there. Now I need a claritin

[Jacob]

Even one with this variety could match 3 area TO A T. I challenge an overlay of the last picture with my 3-9 markers. For the record I was done till you popped off.

[kloccwork419]

For the record, you dont want this Jacob. Move along bud. I'm not one of the nice people here

[Jacob]

Get fresher eyes and check the 1920 Doubled dies out then. This topic is over.

[kloccwork419]

All your topics are over. Plus, putting you on the ignore list will be fun

[Jacob]

Your'e missing out bud. Its your choice and yes will admit I had a dumb moment with the 1927 DDO. We're all entitled to them. I think main problem is being stuck at home can take a toll on us all. I am sorry for pushing this one to far and admit was being stubborn.

[DoubleYou]

I know I break this rule myself, but I find that it is generally useless to search for varieties on low grade coins. Especially ones that are hard to see in the first place. This variety should not be in the CPG IMHO. It simply is too easy to believe that you see something when the variety is so hard to make out. I have trouble picking this variety out on the PCGS images of it on the few coins it displays, especially the later die states. And those are mostly uncirculated coins!

Generally my cutoff is at VF-20. On more major varieties that are easy to see, lower grade coins can still show easily enough.

For instance, 1945 1c WDDR-022. This is a VF-20 DDR I discovered several years ago. This is a moderate variety, imho. Any lower grade, Wexler would probably not have been able to even list die markers such as the various die scratches. Since the discovery, Wiles has received an uncirculated coin which is soooo much better. http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20D...945PDDR015.htm

Now why VF-20? Because here is 1944-D/S die 2 in F-12.

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Now this is a major variety. I had to utilize two separate light sources to make this photo at 80x magnification to show all the details of this major OMM. I could have gotten away with a lower magnification, but you wouldn't be able to see the parts of the S showing beneath the D.

Your coins are obviously low grade. I can tell by the lack of luster in the fields. Even if they were the variety, it simply would not be visible enough to really be of value. I think the fields would need to show the original mint luster well enough in the area of the doubling to be able to appreciate such a minor variety.

[Jacob]

I know I break this rule myself, but I find that it is generally useless to search for varieties on low grade coins. Especially ones that are hard to see in the first place. This variety should not be in the CPG IMHO. It simply is too easy to believe that you see something when the variety is so hard to make out. I have trouble picking this variety out on the PCGS images of it on the few coins it displays, especially the later die states. And those are mostly uncirculated coins!

Generally my cutoff is at VF-20. On more major varieties that are easy to see, lower grade coins can still show easily enough.

For instance, 1945 1c WDDR-022. This is a VF-20 DDR I discovered several years ago. This is a moderate variety, imho. Any lower grade, Wexler would probably not have been able to even list die markers such as the various die scratches. Since the discovery, Wiles has received an uncirculated coin which is soooo much better. http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20D...945PDDR015.htm

Now why VF-20? Because here is 1944-D/S die 2 in F-12.

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Now this is a major variety. I had to utilize two separate light sources to make this photo at 80x magnification to show all the details of this major OMM. I could have gotten away with a lower magnification, but you wouldn't be able to see the parts of the S showing beneath the D.

Your coins are obviously low grade. I can tell by the lack of luster in the fields. Even if they were the variety, it simply would not be visible enough to really be of value. I think the fields would need to show the original mint luster well enough in the area of the doubling to be able to appreciate such a minor variety.

I agree with you on that bud. I just wanted to share excitement of coin finds lately and was just hoping people could see what I saw. But things got out of hand by me trying to prove it. Im not labeling these coins as anything and just moving on. The grade is to low on both to be able to prove anyways so Im over it.

[GrumpyEd]

I know I break this rule myself, but I find that it is generally useless to search for varieties on low grade coins. Especially ones that are hard to see in the first place. This variety should not be in the CPG IMHO. It simply is too easy to believe that you see something when the variety is so hard to make out. I have trouble picking this variety out on the PCGS images of it on the few coins it displays, especially the later die states. And those are mostly uncirculated coins!

Great points and well said.
I think we all respect the CPG but need put some sanity on how we use it.
That's why I don't get exited over prices on the minor new additions that probably don't belong there and I might be right or wrong but I think some of those have little to do with the original criteria of needing some rarity, interest level etc... they get added differently and I don't even believe FS have much to do with some of the additions, someone else was adding and they may have said ok but it's not the same criteria.

This listing for the 34 probably wasn't a great fit even though it's in the original book. Note that even when they published it even they were not sure it's even a DDO, they said it was likely a DDO. I think others agree that it is but still that shows that even a great example to an expert wasn't a shoe in. Still I'd be happy to find a clear match to whatever it is but I don't get exited over the maybe's.

[WaterSport]

It is exciting to find varieties. Thats why we are all here. But the education curve for me has not stopped. It's an on going endeavor that I look to this site and the people on it to educate me. They are not my adversaries. Too many times when we find a coin and hope it's the rare one we can brag about but unless all the diagnostics are there - its simply not. And we can not be making up stuff either. Too many folks before us have done a wealth of research and yes, some new discoveries are yet to be made, but when a coin has a given marker and you think its the variety because your marker is there - only a few microns not there - then its not that particular coin. There is nothing wrong with collecting coins that trick you or are close but no cigar. I also have a whole folder with nothing but known examples to aid me when comparing coins to those at on line sites. Study the coins posted on ebay - many time you will see that are not what folks claim. So take the time to educate yourself and learn. Or you will be nothing but frustrated in this hobby.

Bob

[Jacob]

It is exciting to find varieties. Thats why we are all here. But the education curve for me has not stopped. It's an on going endeavor that I look to this site and the people on it to educate me. They are not my adversaries. Too many times when we find a coin and hope it's the rare one we can brag about but unless all the diagnostics are there - its simply not. And we can not be making up stuff either. Too many folks before us have done a wealth of research and yes, some new discoveries are yet to be made, but when a coin has a given marker and you think its the variety because your marker is there - only a few microns not there - then its not that particular coin. There is nothing wrong with collecting coins that trick you or are close but no cigar. I also have a whole folder with nothing but known examples to aid me when comparing coins to those at on line sites. Study the coins posted on ebay - many time you will see that are not what folks claim. So take the time to educate yourself and learn. Or you will be nothing but frustrated in this hobby.

Bob

I agree its just a lot of mind games of Paracoins today. I'm not to fond of the wheaties at the moment due to tricks and wears. I need to be more patient and slow to speak. I been on here for 8 years so.... it is a continuing learning process. No one knows everything but as a community we know a lot.