1942-S DDO-001 (with RPM)

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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #1

    [Example] 1942-S DDO-001 (with RPM)

    I don't usually post examples here as they tend to get lost, but here it goes. I have a nice example of a MDS 1942-S die 1 with RPM. This would be a class IV (black arrows) and a RPM south (white arrows). This example was clear enough to see the doubling in the ear, eyelid and parts of the upper motto.




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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #2
    There is one problem with the coin posted above; it may not be immediately clear - anyone want to take a guess?



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    • lara4228
      Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 2116

      #3
      Nope not a clue. I didn't want to be the first to reply, but I really don't see exactly what all the arrows are referring to.

      Untrained eye not guessing anything here.
      What ever you do...do it with passion

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      • jcuve
        Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
        • Apr 2008
        • 15458

        #4
        (ABOVE) Black arrows show the doubling, it is off-set north-east and partial. The white arrows show the RPM.

        Hopefully these pics are a tad clearer...



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        • lara4228
          Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 2116

          #5
          I can see now!!! I can see now!! The untrained eye is becoming trainable lol

          Yes they are much clearer. ;)
          What ever you do...do it with passion

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          • DoubleYou
            Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 3629

            #6
            Problem? Has it been cleaned?
            Wendell Carper
            It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!

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            • jcuve
              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
              • Apr 2008
              • 15458

              #7
              Originally posted by DoubleYou
              Problem? Has it been cleaned?
              BINGO. Cleaned and recolored. After photographing I had to return it. The cleaning was so harsh in the open fields the die flow lines were erased.



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              • lineop3
                Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 3760

                #8
                Okay...not immediately CLEAR, JC. Hahaha.
                I would have guessed it too if it wasn't for that meddlin kid.
                I'm really diggin Wendell's knowledge and quick thinking. YOU ROCK BRUDDAH!!!

                Aisha

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                • JeanK
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 5696

                  #9
                  Cleaned. Yep. Even so, it was purdy.
                  But, another question... isn't quite unusual to find an repunched mint mark and a doubled die on the same side of a coin?
                  Jean

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                  • jcuve
                    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 15458

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JeanK
                    Cleaned. Yep. Even so, it was purdy.
                    But, another question... isn't quite unusual to find an repunched mint mark and a doubled die on the same side of a coin?
                    Jean
                    Yep a twofer - unusual - I think that is why they made a big deal about it in the CPG...



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                    • mustbebob
                      Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 12758

                      #11
                      I originally had this variety listed as the 1949S-1DO-001 on coppercoins. However, when I was comparing the 3 of them I had, to see which one was a better specimen, I discovered the RPM, and made that one coppercoins die-002. This, after they had been in my collection for 15 years! Even I miss things folks.
                      Bob Piazza
                      Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                      • eaxtellcoin
                        Paid Member

                        • Jan 2008
                        • 2086

                        #12
                        Ther are actually quite a few in pennies and nickels both, Just have to look......
                        The nice thing is they usually command a higher premium for the combo...

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                        • Rubenthelincolnguy

                          #13
                          Why I feel it looks like MDD and not double die??? I know there is a big difference between them, and I honestly love both types of doubling, but I constantly find MDD's and list them, and hate it when buyers start giving me comments like: "that is a machine double die, is not worth nothing" peronally I think MDD's are cool (bold ones) Nice coin! I just bought a micro to be able to inspect mint ,arks as close as possible, great job on the pictures too!!!

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                          • simonm
                            Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 6398

                            #14
                            One key feature to note about this being a doubled die and not machine doubling is that the doubled area does not remove the size of the design elements. For this doubled die, if you take away the doubled area, the date is a normal size. In the case of machine doubling on the date of a coin, however, removing the doubled area results in a smaller date size, an indication that it was not truly doubled.
                            My old coin album.

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                            • jcuve
                              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 15458

                              #15
                              I would suggest focusing on RTY, in particular the Y. MD is typically flatter and will cut into the device making it smaller; all of the doubled areas on DDO-001 are normal sized with the doubling making it larger.




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