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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9477

    #16
    Let me start this off by saying I think it is a REALLY neat idea, Alex . It shows some real ingenuity on your part; but….


    Speaking as an expert in statistics, I will say this has an extremely high potential for being a meaningless compilation of data if great care isn't taken. Jody, Rock, Jason, and Simon have all brought up critical points. If you don’t go by the area of the coin’s origin, the data will be meaningless. We already know in general, that P varieties will originate in the East and the D varieties will originate in Midwest/West, so we are looking to know SPECIFICALLY what area the coin made its FIRST appearance after it was minted. This is essentially only knowable if it came from an OBW from a bank that you know, and even then I am not positive these don’t travel. Even if a variety is found in pocket change, who knows how many times it was previously spent and how far it traveled to get to your pocket? Like Rock points out, what good is knowing that 1 was found is PA, 1 in Maryland, 2 in New York, 1 in Georgia, and 1 in CA? This tells us nothing we didn’t already know. Furthermore, I will add an extremely important point that hasn’t been mentioned yet. You will need a sufficiently large sample size of data for each entry in order to have even the slightest degree of confidence in what the data might seem to suggest. This is unlikely to happen in my opinion unless you can gather accurate information from many other resources than just here on LCR. Also, don’t forget the time of the find is also an extremely important factor. So, unless you get a whole lot of data like Bob offered in a recent 1963D thread, where he says, “In 1976, I found 26 of these in the two years I was stationed in Abilene Texas,” I don’t believe this experiment will yield anything truly valuable.
    On a side note, let me ask this: Even if you could grow this into something meaningful, how would you use the information? For example, since you know there was a concentration of 1963D 1DO-001s found in Abilene, Texas in 1976, how do you use that information? Do you go back in a time machine to Texas to find the variety you need? Just some thoughts I had. Please don’t let my skepticism stand in the way of going for it. Like I said, I think it is a cool idea and could yield some interesting information and discussion. You should ask your cyber teacher if you can get some math credit for this project. You could do some calculations, plots and graphs and such for it. Good luck with this, and I will be happy to help where I can.
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    • liveandievarieties
      TPG & Market Expert
      • Feb 2011
      • 6049

      #17
      Maybe someone said it Alex and I just missed it, but do you have 200 different colors of dots?

      I get muave and fuscia mixed up all the time, might be tricky.

      But not knocking the idea Alex, just has to be done right like the others have mentioned, should be interesting.
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      • willbrooks
        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

        • Jan 2012
        • 9477

        #18
        Originally posted by liveandievarieties
        Maybe someone said it Alex and I just missed it, but do you have 200 different colors of dots?

        I get muave and fuscia mixed up all the time, might be tricky.

        But not knocking the idea Alex, just has to be done right like the others have mentioned, should be interesting.
        I was also thinking about the logistical nightmare of the graphic, with all of the different dots and the map would have to be the size of Texas to not be completely covered with them all, etc. But then I figured I did enough poo-pooing about it already. Besides, these young whippersnappers with their newfangled eeee-lectronical contraptions could prolly figger out some'n!
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        • hasfam
          Paid Member

          • May 2009
          • 6291

          #19
          What if we limited the locations to states only, not cities or towns or rural route zip codes? And what are we going to track? Just CPG stuff? And do we start from this day forward or should we include 2012 finds? Finds from further back to get a foundation started? Logistics logistics logistics.
          Rock
          My LCR Photo Album of Graded Lincoln Cent Cherry Picker Varieties

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          • Maineman750
            Administrator

            • Apr 2011
            • 12079

            #20
            Well, my hopes that Alex would be occupied for a long,long time are beginning to wane.Don't any of you have experience in babysitting ?
            Last edited by Maineman750; 12-27-2012, 12:40 PM. Reason: Just teasing you Alex
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            • lucas_billy@yahoo.com
              Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 215

              #21
              oh wow...that sound like it could be fun to do....i can try that if everyone starts it....
              The Lincoln Man

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              • flyhi3
                Member
                • Mar 2012
                • 3702

                #22
                My idea was that we use all finds from 2011 to now. And how about Only CPG varieties? I want it to be a reference of where they are being found recently, not where they were in 1976 .
                Alexander Helzel
                Ecrater eBay Facebook

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                • Maineman750
                  Administrator

                  • Apr 2011
                  • 12079

                  #23
                  Originally posted by flyhi3
                  My idea was that we use all finds from 2011 to now. And how about Only CPG varieties? I want it to be a reference of where they are being found recently, not where they were in 1976 .

                  Not a bad idea. But...I found two 1983P-1DR-001s in 1983, and two in 2012. All in this area.
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                  • flyhi3
                    Member
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 3702

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Maineman750
                    Not a bad idea. But...I found two 1983P-1DR-001s in 1983, and two in 2012. All in this area.
                    I got it!!!!! I could make a map of 2000 and before, and where the major ones were found, AND a map of 2001 to now, of where they are NOW... then we can see how certain ones have moved...... I could even do one for each decade (1970s, 1980s, etc) ...
                    Alexander Helzel
                    Ecrater eBay Facebook

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                    • LincolnLawyer
                      Member
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 186

                      #25
                      I can't help but think Las Vegas, with all the tourism, attracts many errors and varieties. I just wish I was better at this whole cent searching thing to be of help.

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                      • flyhi3
                        Member
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 3702

                        #26
                        Originally posted by flyhi3
                        I got it!!!!! I could make a map of 2000 and before, and where the major ones were found, AND a map of 2001 to now, of where they are NOW... then we can see how certain ones have moved...... I could even do one for each decade (1970s, 1980s, etc) ...
                        How does this sound to ya'll?
                        Alexander Helzel
                        Ecrater eBay Facebook

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                        • Maineman750
                          Administrator

                          • Apr 2011
                          • 12079

                          #27
                          One map will probably do,I'm not sure how many of us track when we found our coins unless it was something that stood out. I remembered those 83's because I was home with a cast on my leg....hmm,I'm seeing a pattern here.
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                          • flyhi3
                            Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 3702

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Maineman750
                            One map will probably do,I'm not sure how many of us track when we found our coins unless it was something that stood out. I remembered those 83's because I was home with a cast on my leg....hmm,I'm seeing a pattern here.
                            ok, lol I figured making like 5 maps was too much..well... at least you have something to look forward to when you get casts
                            Alexander Helzel
                            Ecrater eBay Facebook

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                            • Maineman750
                              Administrator

                              • Apr 2011
                              • 12079

                              #29
                              Try making one and save an extra copy, then we can refine it if necessary.It's just a fun thing so don't get too caught up in details.
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                              • flyhi3
                                Member
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 3702

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Maineman750
                                Try making one and save an extra copy, then we can refine it if necessary.It's just a fun thing so don't get too caught up in details.
                                Good idea!


                                Ok, so the Variety tracking map experiment is offically Open for submissions!!!!!
                                Alexander Helzel
                                Ecrater eBay Facebook

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