ebay makes me crazy

[liveandievarieties]

Charity just brought up an excellent point-

As a novice, could YOU expect to have the confidence to go through a bag of wheats and pull out all of the major doubled dies and Top 100 RPMs?

Or would you focus on something that is OBVIOUSLY abnormal. Something that stands out as different (after all, that's what we ALL look for).

I think that die chips, and other more common die errors are an amazing "gateway" error type. They lead people on a quest that brings them to places like this, like Coppercoins and Error-ref.com....

I'll probably speak harshly the next time a novice asks a perfectly uneducated question and is hit with "WE CALL THEM CENTS, NOT PENNIES". But I've promised to hold my tongue and will more likely just shut the laptop in disgust.

Does the idea of negativity ever help others?

That's what I want to do, help others.

[willbrooks]

I'll probably speak harshly the next time a novice asks a perfectly uneducated question and is hit with "WE CALL THEM CENTS, NOT PENNIES". But I've promised to hold my tongue and will more likely just shut the laptop in disgust.

Does the idea of negativity ever help others?

That's what I want to do, help others.

I would like to make a point here about this topic. I see this criticism all the time on the forum.
We bitch about calling them "pennies." So, I wonder why we all think it is ok to call our "five cents" nickels? They aren't nickels. They are "Five cents." Just sayin....

[jallengomez]

At one time we had a member who planned on writing a book about die chips. Yeah, crazy, stupid, I know. He invested hundreds of hours, likely more. He paid a very fair premium for bulk die chips. Stupid, he was told, we all proved that right. In the end, this guy (a decent human), quit what was his life goal. It killed me to see him as disappointed, he finally quit the forum (without a "goodbye cruel world" thread).

I haven't seen Jay since. I don't know where he is or what he's doing. But I do feel guilty that a little more encouragement may well have helped him see through his project.

Thanks Chris. As great as the LCR is, that is certainly a shameful episode in its history. I still feel horrible that I didn't say more to defend Jay. The guy had a passion and a dream of writing the book on it, and he was belittled away from that passion. I wonder how many others we've sent quietly packing and moving on away from this hobby.

[liveandievarieties]

That was kind of my sentiment Jody. Members wonder why there's 10 registered users who have never posted for each 1 active member.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with a good debate or a strong opinion, but when our opinions start dictating that what makes others happy is wrong, I fell a little wrong going along with it. Not thinking of anyone, just realizing that being positive is the only direction that will make someone better for the experience.

[simonm]

I too miss Jay and am saddened that some members leave the forum because someone tries to dictate what "should" and "shouldn't" be collectsble. But I digress...i'm straying a little bit off topic here. I agree thst there really isn't nything wrong with the listing, and people will pay for what they think is collectable/cool, and we shouldn't judge if someone collects die chips and die gouges compared to doubled dies and repunched mintmarks.

[Arjohn]

To digress -- Look at the next Brick you buy -- Even the Mint calls them Pennies -- says so, right on the box

[Justafarmer]

RPMs, Doubled Dies and etc exhibit a unique characteristics that allows a person to attribute that coin to the specific working die that struck it. Gouges, chips, cracks and etc can also be just as unique and failitate attribution to a specific working die. Once this attribution is made in most cases each can be proven to be about equally rare. In fact the coin with the gouge, crack, chip or etc would probably prove to be rarer if its working die didn't possess this characteristic for its entire production life.

[mustbebob]

Even the Mint calls them Pennies

The mint does not call them pennies. They do not put them in those boxes, but the point is 'does it make it right?'

A lot of things are coming to light with threads like this. Chris is bringing up a point I have made quite frequently, and that is bad mouthing sellers on EBay, even if their auctions are honest attempts at making a few bucks. As I said before, we need to stop this vigilante mentality. We need to concentrate on misrepresentation, not on stuff like this.

I also said it seems to be getting embarrassing to be a member of this forum when we go through things like this. People look at it as LCR is the problem, not the individuals who report things that are not suspect.

[1jackel1]

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The mint does not call them pennies. They do not put them in those boxes, but the point is does it make it right?

A lot of things are coming to light with threads like this. Chris is bringing up I point I have made quite frequently, and that is bad mouthing sellers on EBay, even if their auctions are honest attempts at making a few bucks. As I said before, we need to stop this vigilante mentality. We need to concentrate on misrepresentation, not on stuff like this.

I also said it seems to be getting embarrassing to be a member of this forum when we go through things like this. People look at it as LCR is the problem, not the individuals who report things that are not suspect.

Bob you said it clearly enough, well said.

George

[Peter]

I agree with many of the sentiments expressed in this thread regarding how members here comment on inaccurate Ebay listings and to the larger picture of how we come across in general.

We all need to stop this. It makes us look pompous and mean spirited. I have nothing against educating members and users, but there is nothing to be gained by imposing a narrow view of what to collect or how to collect it and then bad mouthing anything that falls out side of that range.

If you see an inaccurate listing on Ebay report it. If you feel a need to share that link without personal comment then post it. None of us like outright fraud and exposing that is ok. But comments on the thread dealing with the personality of the seller or buyer will not be allowed and the thread will be locked.

[jallengomez]

Peter,

I agree. Unfortunately, this thread and these admonishments will soon be buried. Maybe we could put a sticky in the rules somewhere(maybe in the Going Once...) reminding people that links to Ebay auctions which have no purpose except to ridicule people's collecting preferences or to ridicule prices realized or asked will not be tolerated. I think we can serve a vital purpose here in educating people and exposing fraud, but we should never try to enforce opinion.

[mustbebob]

Maybe we could put a sticky in the rules somewhere

The issue is being discussed by the owners and moderators. Something will be done very soon. Thank you.

[Maineman750]

The Going Once,Going twice forum pretty much spells out the purpose. "Buyer beware,fakes,and rare coins" We will be strictly enforcing that along with "No Bashing". We've all done it in the past, so no finger pointing...let's just work on keeping LCR an educational forum as it was intended.

[lucybug]

I apologize to any one that I have offended. I am sorry and did not mean to do it in a mean spirited way. Anyway I am really sorry.

[shameless]

this is one of the reasons i dont post any more on here dont like the attitudes and the disrespect given to me and others that i would read . i still read everything and stuff but people are quick to judge.