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This thread will turn out to be pretty long, but it could spark an interesting discussion I think. I got a Dansco 7100 a few years ago, but I had previously put my main Lincoln set, from 1909-1974, in an “Official US Mint” book. It is similar to the Dansco, with the slide out plastic covers, but stopped at 1974. I had my newer cents in the cheap, tri-fold, booklets you can get at Hobby Lobby, so I moved them over to the Dansco a couple years ago. I decided to move my 1909-1974 coins over, and planned to glass them as I went. I started working on a set of cents way before I got into die varieties.
I found some interesting stuff: a 1941S-RPM-012 (1MM-012)(WRPM-013) in XF, a 1952S-RPM-009 (1MM-009)(WRPM-020) in VF-XF, a 1960D-1MM-213 (small date) in BU, and a 1957-D with an unlisted, small reverse CUD or retained CUD.
The most interesting was only 2 coins into the move. My AU 1909-P (no VDB) is a transitional DDR. I started trying to match it to the VV listings, then went to Wexler, then to CC. None matched, so for the heck of it I checked the Matte Proof DDR. https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...&die_state=eds No obverse markers matched, but most of the reverse markers matched. The E/W scratch under the middle bar of the E in CENT, along with the arching scratch, under the wheat tips, near the rim is nonexistent on my coin, but the X shaped scratches below the M in UNUM, and the 2 parallel scratches b/t the upper IB of PLURIBUS are easily seen. Also note the SE/NW gouge inside the C of CENT, and the WSW running scratch from the S, passing just under the U in PLURIBUS. My mind started running a million miles per hour, but I did think to reach out to Jay (onecent1909). I wanted to know if anyone had ran into a possible business strike obverse paired with the Matte Proof reverse.
I’m not privy to all the information that group have discovered, but he did tell me that a lot of those markers were found on many of those transitional DDRs that were discovered.
I checked the 4 no VDB listings on VV and the parallel scratches b/t IB and the WSW scratch under the U, in PLURIBUS, are visible on all 4 listings. http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20LC...DDR%201909.htm
I also started looking through the PCGS images of the graded Matte Proofs. I was able to spot 2 1DR-008P coins pretty easily. They match obverse die markers too. Check them out: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/26910596, https://www.pcgs.com/cert/41002691.
All this leads me to one question, and one, somewhat uninformed hypothesis. Does anyone know how many master dies were made for 1909 no VDB? We know for a fact there were at least 2. One with shallow cut N & one with deep cut N. But is it possible, like with 1972, more than one master die was created with the deep cut N (no VDB)? And during the creation of one, it was hubbed with both reverse designs (shallow & deep N)? If so, is it possible that all, or at least some, of these new DDRs are the result of master die doubling? We know for a fact right now that there are 4 different business strike listings, along with my coin and a matte proof, that share reverse die markers.
I will add some images to this post, but I am going to make a couple more posts to add images and thoughts/comments. Thanks all and please discuss! This is super interesting to me. I’m glad I moved those coins!!
I found some interesting stuff: a 1941S-RPM-012 (1MM-012)(WRPM-013) in XF, a 1952S-RPM-009 (1MM-009)(WRPM-020) in VF-XF, a 1960D-1MM-213 (small date) in BU, and a 1957-D with an unlisted, small reverse CUD or retained CUD.
The most interesting was only 2 coins into the move. My AU 1909-P (no VDB) is a transitional DDR. I started trying to match it to the VV listings, then went to Wexler, then to CC. None matched, so for the heck of it I checked the Matte Proof DDR. https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...&die_state=eds No obverse markers matched, but most of the reverse markers matched. The E/W scratch under the middle bar of the E in CENT, along with the arching scratch, under the wheat tips, near the rim is nonexistent on my coin, but the X shaped scratches below the M in UNUM, and the 2 parallel scratches b/t the upper IB of PLURIBUS are easily seen. Also note the SE/NW gouge inside the C of CENT, and the WSW running scratch from the S, passing just under the U in PLURIBUS. My mind started running a million miles per hour, but I did think to reach out to Jay (onecent1909). I wanted to know if anyone had ran into a possible business strike obverse paired with the Matte Proof reverse.
I’m not privy to all the information that group have discovered, but he did tell me that a lot of those markers were found on many of those transitional DDRs that were discovered.
I checked the 4 no VDB listings on VV and the parallel scratches b/t IB and the WSW scratch under the U, in PLURIBUS, are visible on all 4 listings. http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20LC...DDR%201909.htm
I also started looking through the PCGS images of the graded Matte Proofs. I was able to spot 2 1DR-008P coins pretty easily. They match obverse die markers too. Check them out: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/26910596, https://www.pcgs.com/cert/41002691.
All this leads me to one question, and one, somewhat uninformed hypothesis. Does anyone know how many master dies were made for 1909 no VDB? We know for a fact there were at least 2. One with shallow cut N & one with deep cut N. But is it possible, like with 1972, more than one master die was created with the deep cut N (no VDB)? And during the creation of one, it was hubbed with both reverse designs (shallow & deep N)? If so, is it possible that all, or at least some, of these new DDRs are the result of master die doubling? We know for a fact right now that there are 4 different business strike listings, along with my coin and a matte proof, that share reverse die markers.
I will add some images to this post, but I am going to make a couple more posts to add images and thoughts/comments. Thanks all and please discuss! This is super interesting to me. I’m glad I moved those coins!!
Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! 
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