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I also believe the ridiculous price achieved on the 92-d brought this '92 out of hiding.
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The seller may have made a mistake using Ebay instead of Heritage.Comment
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ok but dose anyone know if ANY of the other 92 p cam's have a rotated die?...Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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It is possible. It could be a case where high end coin buyers would prefer HA over eBay, but the amount of exposure on eBay would be tremendously higher on eBay than HA. Typical HA buyers could also be lurkers on eBay for coins to add to their collection. Like I said the protection plans in place on eBay have made it a very safe place to conduct business. You can go on eBay and buy homes, cars, heck even towns. All of these go for more than most coins, and all are sold daily on the bay."If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."Comment
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Could be a big mistake. Though maybe the seller is aware that other '92 CAMs are coming up for sale and wanted to get a jump on that...
I would imagine that we start to see either new listings on HA or previous coins being flipped in light of that huge sale.
One other thought. While PCGS should be able to competently deal with certifying a CAM, the die rotation is really odd. It doesn't mean it is fake, but it is a rather odd development. It would almost have to be a new die for the date as none of the others have a rotation. Looking at the photos, nothing suggests a seam on the reverse, so it is probably legit.
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Is anybody else worried about how extremely weak the strike appears to be? It would never receive a MS-67 from me with that weak of a strike...Wendell Carper
It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!
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Thought I would chime in, I did a little bit of investigating and I firmly do not think this is a schrill bidding episode. ( I think I spelled that right?). Anyway, here are my supporting reasons:
1. Highest current bidder placed 3 bids, the initial first bid, with a maximum of $500.00; the third bid showing after a few other people have placed bids AND the 3rd bid was on a separate day.
2. The current highest bidder is also bidding on 2 other items and is the current highest bidder (according to their bidding activity report).
3. The seller has only THIS item listed for sale under their eBay user ID.
Through deductive reasoning, the seller has only one item listed, the current highest bidder is bidding on 3 separate items and is currently winning all three. Whilst the feedback score of 25 cannot be ventured into to see their buying/selling trend, it can be assumed that this bidding activity is legit.What ever you do...do it with passionComment
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lara4228...THANK YOU...did some math my self....I was thinking bidder had a 25 number with a 100%...he had only bid with seller(100%)..and had done it at least 25 times...the 100% show for current ongoing bids....NOW I GET IT...
the rotation still gets me...dose PCGS list a rotation around 50 to 70 percent? or just 90/180?and are the other 1992 p cams rotated? I have an e-mail out to someone I know has one...not sure if he will answer though... any one know of the owners for any of the other 5 or 6?Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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I did a spreadsheet on the bid activity, one because I am bored, two because I wanted to see the bid activity clearly. Here is what I came up with:
Starting Price US $0.99 Jul-20-12*19:01:38 PDT
o***c(*5*) ***US $129.57 Jul-20-12*22:04:27 PDT
j***b(*25) ***US $100.00 Jul-20-12*22:20:04 PDT
j***b(*25) ***US $500.00 Jul-20-12*22:20:30 PDT
a***s(*75) ***US $500.00 Jul-21-12*08:20:44 PDT
a***s(*75) ***US $555.55 Jul-21-12*08:21:05 PDT
e***e(*710) *US $567.87 Jul-21-12*10:54:23 PDT
8***s(*1288) US $580.00 Jul-21-12*12:09:05 PDT
l***p(*389) ***US $601.99 Jul-21-12*16:45:45 PDT
j***b(*25) ***US $611.99 Jul-21-12*20:23:39 PDT
This shows that the current high bidder, the one with a 25 feedback score, was NOT the first bidder. They were the second. After their $100 bid was not enough to over take the proxy bid of $129.57 by the initial bidder, they upped their bid to $500. This was what our own onecent1909 bid, which raised the bid to the $500 mark set by the high bidder's proxy. onecent1909 raised his proxy to $555.55 seconds later and held it until a third bidder raised it to $567.87 an hour and a half later. This bid was raised three more times over the course of the day to what the current high bidder has at $611.99, which most likely means their proxy is even higher."If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."Comment
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The o***e is me...onecent1909....my bid was $129.57....thats where I came in.....I always bid in funky amounts...I knew I was going to be out bid...But on the 12th I held and examined the $20,700 1992 d cam/I bid on this 1992 p cam/ and own a 1992 d cam......
nice work on the spreadsheet though....
I love transitionals..and I am trying to get all I canMember: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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Again, I could be wrong, but I do not see this as shill bidding."If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."Comment
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agreed...no bidding problems...just me not knowing enough about E-BAY and the feedback and percent stuff...lol...sorry but we all learn here...ThanksMember: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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Onecent and Sean, thank you.
As for the rotated die, I also investigated that a bit, but only through the pictures posted on the listing. At first I thought this whole listing was a farce because of the last 2 pics. one was rotated and the other not.
Then I looked a little more closely at the lables on the slabs and if you notice, the one in the auction, which I don't think deserves a 67 but however, seemed to have been graded earlier on than the non-rotated one. So I am wondering if they didn't include the rotated die for a couple of reasons, either the person paying for the grade/slab didn't want to pay extra for the rotated added expense, or the company wasn't recognizing it as an additional error/variety because of the 92 close being enough to place on the label. Hmm, I think I've worded this correctly.
It's late for me.
LaraWhat ever you do...do it with passionComment
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