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  • Maineman750
    Administrator

    • Apr 2011
    • 12079

    #46
    Originally posted by Wayne
    no i do not know where this one came from.
    the ones i did read about never mentioned a rotated die.

    Well, since you "clearly remembered none were found in rolls", I assumed you read about all of them. Not trying to be difficult...just trying to learn about the coin.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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    • seal006
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 2330

      #47
      Originally posted by jcuve
      It's at $10k now. My computer does not show the actual user ID, maybe it is a quirk with the phone program? The current high bidder has a feedback score of 4.
      So do you still feel this seller should have gone through HA instead of eBay? The seller's premium is a lot less at eBay.
      "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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      • Maineman750
        Administrator

        • Apr 2011
        • 12079

        #48
        Here is the answer I got from the seller of this 92 CAM. :It was found in a little mini hoard of cents put together from the early 1990's
        https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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        • Wayne
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 1068

          #49
          pops

          PCGS: http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=23753
          1992-P CAM.....POP 3.......AU58 None Better
          1992-D CAM.....POP 1.......MS64 None Better

          NGC:
          1992-P CAM.....POP 3.......MS62 None Better (one is a AU55)
          1992-D CAM.....POP 5.......MS65 None Better (Lowest graded one is MS62)

          ANACS:
          1992-P CAM......POP 0
          1992-D CAM......POP5

          RED: 1@MS63
          RED/BROWN: 1@MS62
          BROWN: 3@AU55 and 2@AU58

          some coins may have been sent for reholdering...no one knows the answer to that...
          but the point here is that these are not "found in OBW or mint set grades"
          these coins were found in circulation.
          except for this coin now for sale,which i have not heard a peep about where it came from,I would be 99% sure these were all circulation finds.

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          • Wayne
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 1068

            #50
            Did you ask him if

            he saved it because of the rotation?

            i knew that coin was saved very early.It had to be.

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            • onecent1909
              Wrong Design Die Expert
              • Feb 2012
              • 2597

              #51
              Originally posted by Wayne
              PCGS: http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=23753
              1992-P CAM.....POP 3.......AU58 None Better
              1992-D CAM.....POP 1.......MS64 None Better

              ??? We are looking at a PCGS...MS67....not on your list....
              Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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              • Wayne
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 1068

                #52
                yeah i know

                yes i know its a MS67.
                if you look at the link to the registry sets,you will see that its not in there yet.

                if you want up to the minute POP reports,then you need a PCGS membership.

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                • Maineman750
                  Administrator

                  • Apr 2011
                  • 12079

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Wayne
                  he saved it because of the rotation?

                  i knew that coin was saved very early.It had to be.


                  No...just asked him how he found it. But you can ask him questions too.
                  https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                  • Brad
                    Founder: Lincoln Cent Resource

                    • Nov 2007
                    • 4949

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Wayne
                    PCGS: http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=23753
                    1992-P CAM.....POP 3.......AU58 None Better
                    1992-D CAM.....POP 1.......MS64 None Better
                    PCGS pop report can be a litte decieving

                    1992-P CAM.....POP 3.......AU58 None Better (in Brown)
                    1992-D CAM.....POP 1.......MS64RB None Better (in Red Brown)
                    Brad
                    Lincoln Cent Resource
                    My PCGS Registry

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                    • liveandievarieties
                      TPG & Market Expert
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 6049

                      #55
                      The POP reports are upside down- I've handled 4 different PCGS examples. 2 AU58s, 1 AU55 and a PCGS Genuine. I also know of 2 others in old ANACS holders- an AU58 and an MS65 and both came out of the same mint bag. Additionally, ANACS hasn't recorded populations for half a decade.
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                      • DCW
                        Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 2085

                        #56
                        I think the bottom line here folks is that whether this coin was "saved" back in'92 for its rotated reverse (im not buying it) or found in circulation (probably not so given the condition) there exists a very real possibility that this seller has found several of them. He tells mainman its from a small hoard. Well, I guess im wondering if the hoard is full of examples. Just seems strange to me that this coin which was unknown last week appears after that big sale of the'92-d CAM.
                        Well, maybe not particularly strange given the fortune to be made, but im skeptical nonetheless. You might see another gem example hit the market in short order.
                        Thats the risk you take with any "rare" modern variety.

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                        • jcuve
                          Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 15458

                          #57
                          Whether there is small hoard or not (and that may be the case), it seems only a matter of time until a bunch of these CAMs come onto the market. I don't seem them ever being common, or cheap; but I cannot seeing them staying in a population under 20 nor commanding premiums over 10k.



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                          • pman860507
                            Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1577

                            #58
                            Originally posted by jcuve
                            I cannot seeing them staying in a population under 20 nor commanding premiums over 10k.
                            I'm with you on this one. I would never even consider spending 10k on a coin like this when who knows how many more are out there to be found. Someone could have a hoard of 100 of these just waiting to kill the market. Maybe in 10-20 more year is no more are found i will be convinced but until then i will just wait for more to pop up and the price to drop down.
                            Casey Parman

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                            • Rollem
                              Administrator

                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2823

                              #59
                              Will this Bring the $20K like the HA auction

                              This is crazy but why I search.


                              James
                              "Good People are Great Forums" Rollem

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                              • Joanna051919642008

                                #60
                                WTG 10,000.00 Dollars and 5 days counting

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