1968-S Lincoln FULL and COMPLETE STEPS

[TJ1952]

Great discussion! I some how missed this thread. Just curious, Maineman750 posted this link earlier http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-NGC-M...-/271882888188

Just wondering why no one mentioned that major hit right in the middle of the steps on this: 1989 S NGC MS66 RD MAC Full Memorial Step FMS Lincoln Cent, 2nd Highest Registry coin.

Unless I'm missing something or the mark/scratch is on the slab, wouldn't that hit totally eliminate the possibility of a FS?

[silver1985]

Well, I think it is just that we all are missing something.......that is, an "official standard" defining what will be classified as a "FULL and COMPLETE STEP", or FMS. In the situation (NGC MS66 coin) with the PMD as the ding/mark in the steps, it would be my hunch that this will be considered a "noticeable contact mark" on any new standard, and the FMS grade will be based primarily/solely on "quality of strike" and not what is left of the steps/strike from PMD.
This is an interesting subject to me and will continue to follow it, since I have two MS rolls (68-S) of them on hold.

ADDENDUM: MAC has a guideline at the following website that was apparently used in the NCG example you sited.

http://macablege.com/full-step-memorial-fsm-or-fms/

[TJ1952]

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, this interests me as well. Great thread!

[BadThad]

Great discussion! I some how missed this thread. Just curious, Maineman750 posted this link earlier http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-NGC-M...-/271882888188

Just wondering why no one mentioned that major hit right in the middle of the steps on this: 1989 S NGC MS66 RD MAC Full Memorial Step FMS Lincoln Cent, 2nd Highest Registry coin.

Unless I'm missing something or the mark/scratch is on the slab, wouldn't that hit totally eliminate the possibility of a FS?

That looks like a mark on the holder to me. That 66 has nothing on my raw 68S! In fact, it looks kind of dull and I don't like the obverse at all.

[silver1985]

Do you have this image (1968SfsREV.jpg (99.4 KB) in an uncompressed format? TIFF file?

[BadThad]

Nope, I use an old, cheap Canon SD700IS that takes pics in jpg. Then I crop and resize using PSP. What are you after?

[silver1985]

Nope, I use an old, cheap Canon SD700IS that takes pics in jpg. Then I crop and resize using PSP. What are you after?

Trying to avoid spending about twelve bucks on developing a roll of 35 mm, 100 ASA color film, just to see how much better a 7 to 10 MB uncompressed (TIFF) image would be, than a very compressed 100 KB JPG file. Nearly all of the images on LCF are 100 to 400 KB JPG files that lose (too much ?) detail.

Any experience with this thought?

[BadThad]

I guess that depends on your end-goal. For me, the jpg compression loss doesn't matter. I consider my pictures "good enough" for general web use. I always make my files just somewhere less than 100k, mainly because that's a size limit over at CC forums.

[BadThad]

1973 FS, toned down a bit.

[silver1985]

Thanks for the photos of the 1973 FS. They make a good reference.
I have not reviewed my pile of shinny 73's yet. Still sorting out the pile (100+) of shinny 71's for F&CS.
(Referencing someones earlier post of "being very difficult" to find a 1971 with full and complete steps.)
I plan to post the best few of the 1971's pile sometime this summer for the "1971 F&CS contest"???)

[BadThad]

1973S FS

[TJ1952]

Is there an official Lincoln Memorial Cent definition of full step? That 73S does not constitute a full step in my book. Although, I actually don't have a book I can refer to. Any breaks in the lines/step disqualifies it as a FS.

[BadThad]

Where do you see a break in the steps? They are all there and fully formed on the 73S.

[TJ1952]

Where do you see a break in the steps? They are all there and fully formed on the 73S.

Please tell me you're not serious. Just about dead center, 6 O'clock position, bottom step. You don't see that major hit?

Please someone else chime in here and tell me that hit isn't there. If I had a graphics package, I could circle it for you.

[enamel7]

Okay, I'll chime in. The hit has nothing to do with a full steps designation. The hit is post strike and the steps were complete at the time of the strike. Please don't become argumentive. There is a lot to learn on this site and unlike other forums we accept what others say unless it can be proven otherwise. In this case the full steps are there.